A Conversation with the Pro-Life Doc - Part 3 (Transcript)

Dr. James Dobson: Well, hello, everyone. I'm James Dobson, and you're listening to Family Talk, a listener supported ministry. In fact, thank you so much for being part of that support for James Dobson Family Institute.

Dr. William Lile: We all make bad decisions. We make decisions on things that we do and things that we say that we regret as part of our past, but the blood of Jesus is able to cover those sins. And Paul had a bad past, but Paul said, forget about those things which are behind and press on towards what lies ahead. And when we are thinking about our past, when we're thinking about being involved in an abortion, that's not God who is reminding us of our past. That's Satan, who is trying to interrupt and disturb our current relationship with God. So yes, abortion is a sin, but it is a sin that we cover by the blood of Jesus. And it's about redemption, it's about forgive of those sins. And forget what you did in the past, but move on and serve.

Roger Marsh: Well. That was Dr. William Lile, also known as the Pro-Life Doc. Speaking on yesterday's broadcast here on Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk. Today, we have Dr. Lile back with us for the insightful third part of his recent sit down with Dr. Dobson. I'm Roger Marsh. And you are, of course, listening to Family Talk. Over the past two days, Dr. Dobson and Dr. Lile have discussed some of the strongest arguments for the pro-life movement. They've talked about abortion pill reversal and amazing surgeries that are done on babies in the womb.

In fact, if you missed either of the last two Family Talk programs, remember you can hear them in their entirety by going to drjamesdobson.org and selecting the tab marked "Broadcasts". Dr. William Lile is a board certified obstetrician and gynecologist with an active private practice in Pensacola, Florida. It was back in 1999 that Dr. Lile purchased the then largest pro-abortion practice in all of the Florida panhandle. He immediately stopped all the abortions and abortion referrals coming out of that location. And instead redesigned the facility to dedicate it to protect the lives of all of his patients, including mothers and their babies in the womb. He later founded prolifedoc.org, an online ministry. Dr. Lile is married to Lesley, and they have two children.

Today, in the final installment of their conversation, Dr. Dobson and Dr. Lile will cover some broader topics surrounding life, including teen suicide, where our purpose comes from and how we are all called to defend the preborn in today's anti-life culture. Again, you can access this entire three part conversation by going to drjamesdobson.org and selecting "Broadcasts." Here now are Dr. James Dobson and Dr. William Lile on today's edition of Family Talk.

Dr. William Lile: We are engaged in a spiritual battle, and we have to recognize that. And we're going to engage in a spiritual battle and not using our spiritual tools that we're not going to be successful in this battle. So I want to give the audience some scriptures that they can use to defend God's pre-born. We talked about Genesis 1:26, but then we have to look at Jeremiah 1:5, where God says to Jeremiah, he says, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you came forth out the womb I set you apart, I sanctified you and ordained you to be a prophet unto the nations."

God had a relationship with Jeremiah in the womb. He had a job for Jeremiah to do. And from the moment of conception, all of us have value, we have purpose and we have meaning. And the kids today with suicide rates being so high, they need to understand that them being here is not a random happenstance, but from the moment of conception, they have value, they have purpose and they have meaning. Psalm 139, I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. The Psalmist is saying you knit me in my mother's womb. Well, what does that mean? It means that from that moment of conception, the Psalmist realized there was a night of romance and nine months later there was a baby. And that just had to be an act of God.

What the Psalmist was trying to explain was cell differentiation as we would describe it now. How a cell from the mom, a cell from the dad get together and they form one cell, but then an exact copy is made. And when that exact copy is made, you now have two, four, eight, 16, 32, 64 cells. By 10 weeks of pregnancy, there is a billion cells in this baby. But how do you have a different cell that is doing the heart and one is doing the bowel, and one is doing the bones? During cell differentiation, you'll see one cell that'll say, "I don't want to be an exact copy of you, I've got the blueprints, but I'm going to only read these pages from now on, I'm going to do the cardiovascular system, the heart, all the arteries and all the veins." And another cell will say, "Well, that's fine, I have the same full blueprints, but I'm going to use these pages and I'm going to start the entire skeletal system, all the bones, all the ligaments, all the muscles."

When you look at the cell differentiation development of the baby, with that architecture, there had to be a designer, there had to be an architect, and that is our almighty God. And when we look at Romans 5:8, but God demonstrates His love for us in this, in that we were all born sinners, but that Jesus died for us. Well, who of us are sinners? Well, we're all sinners. And God recognized that, but He sent His son for all sinners. Well, we know that God sent His son, he lived a perfect life, He gave His life for us on the cross and He was buried and dead for three days. And then He conquered death and He rose again. And if we put our trust in Him, we can spend eternity with our Lord and Savior.

But let's look at sinners a little bit closely. We know that we are sinners, but we're not just sinners from the time that we're born. If we look at Psalm 51:5, yes, the Psalmist says we were sinful from the time of our birth, but we were also sinners from the time of our conception. So, if we are conceived with the sin nature, then God loved to preborn enough that He sent His son to live a perfect life, give His life for us and then conquer death. So, if God loves the preborn enough to do that for us and send His only son, then we have a duty to defend God's pre-born.

How do I look at my position as a physician? Well, I look at the book of Esther, and I look at Mordecai talking to Esther. And in Esther 4:14, Esther is hearing this word from Mordecai saying, "But that you have been called for such a time as this." And Mordecai is saying, "You have been brought up to this royal position so that you can defend the nation of Israel." Well, that's why we're here today. That's why your audience is listening to this today. That is why you have pastors and physicians and radio host and ministry leaders that need to look at the position. Of all of the things that are going on in the United States, this is not just a battle for just God's preborn, this is a battle for the heart and soul of this nation.

Dr. James Dobson: It is.

Dr. William Lile: I am engaged in this battle for my daughters and for the grandkids that I don't have yet. Why? Because you read through Judges three, four, five and six, and there's no doubt, God loved the nation of Israel, but the nation of Israel did evil on the side of the Lord. And when they did evil on the side of the Lord, God didn't just take His hands off and say, "Y'all are on your own," God delivered them into the hands of their enemies. God actually strengthened their enemies. They were sent into bondage for years and years.

When it comes to doing evil on the side of the Lord, is killing 63 million babies created in the image of God at the moment of conception? Does that meet the qualifications of doing evil in the side of the Lord? Yeah, absolutely. How we deal-

Dr. James Dobson: And judgment is likely.

Dr. William Lile: And justly so it would be. So, when I look at how is our nation on a look at the reversal of Roe vs Wade, how are we going to respond? I really think that the future of our nation is going to be in that balance. So now, before that decision is released this summer, we need to be prepping our church, we need to be prepping our pro-life organizations, and we need to be engaged in this battle. And any church that is not participating on in an active fashion, shame on them. Pastors need to figure out "What am I going to do with my congregation?"

Someday we're all going to be for our Lord and we're going to be judged on what we did for kingdom service here on earth. And we want to look back and we want to hear the words, every pastor and every believer, wants to hear those words, well done, thou good and faithful servant.

Dr. James Dobson: Well done, thou good and faithful servant.

Dr. William Lile: Now's that opportunity to earn that saying from Jesus, to have Him look you in the eyes as you're saying, "thank you, thank you, thank you," but to have Jesus look at you and say, "well done, thou good and faithful servant." Is Dr. James Dobson going to hear those words? Absolutely, you have been an amazing faithful servant of our Lord and somebody who I have just admired like you can't ever believe. And it's really your influence that has motivated me to be engaged in this battle. I love my profession, but it's your example that has turned my profession into a passion for defending God's preborn.

Dr. James Dobson: I'm just humbled that the Lord could use me. I'm just grateful that He opened the doors and made it possible for us to do what we're doing today. I want to tell you what you just said will preach, my dad would've said "that'll preach." And, in fact, you do preach, don't you? You do sometimes speak. In fact, you did it at one of our events and everybody's still talking about it.

Dr. William Lile: It's an honor. This is something where the pulpit is supposed to be where we hear the truth. When you look at the definition of truth, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." And the truth needs to be raining loud and clear from our pulpits. During our revolution in 1776, our pulpits were afire with the truth of the gospel.

Dr. James Dobson: May they once again be afire.

Dr. William Lile: And we need to have them. And I'm honored to be able to speak from the pulpit. In fact, I'll fly home tomorrow, which is Saturday, and I'll be preaching at two different services on Sunday morning on the issues that we discuss today. But it needs to be coming from the pulpit and we need to be training our pastors that are in seminary. We need to be going to our Christian colleges. If I were to be asked to do a lecture on makeup, I could not do it, because I don't know anything about makeup. Our pastors, a lot of times don't know anything about abortions. They don't know the medical arguments. Sometimes they don't even know the Scriptures. Well, we need to teach them how they can discuss.

A lot of times, people don't even know how to share the gospel. Do we have classes on how to share the gospel in our churches? Sure. Why? Because there is a technique and there is a skill in sharing the gospel that is effective. So we need to have these classes. We need to develop men's ministries. Every pregnancy involves a man. Men have a duty to be protectors and defenders. That is our God given role. We have a ministry in Pensacola called Micah 6.8. We meet every Friday morning at The Drowsy Poet Coffee shop by Pensacola Christian College, 30, 40 of us from all different denominations. We meet at 6:15 in the morning with the primary goal to educate and train on how to defend God's preborn.

Dr. James Dobson: How can people find out about that?

Dr. William Lile: It's in Pensacola, Florida. All the men in that area are welcome to come, Drowsy Poet 6:15, every Friday morning. We not only train the men, but we raise funds. We have an annual fundraiser called the Run for Life and it's hosted over at Olive Baptist Church. It's a 5k run. We raised over $8,000 during that one day 5k run for the pregnancy resource center that we support, which is called Safe Harbor in Pensacola. But it is men that are physicians, police officers, elected officials, school teachers that are there with our primary focus on life, because that's what we've been trained to do. And that is our duty and that is our role.

Dr. James Dobson: Dr. Lile, you often find yourself giving CPR or emergency care to somebody on a plane who's in serious jeopardy. The last time we were together, you told a story about a recent event on a Delta flight. Can you share that with us?

Dr. William Lile: Sure, I can. I seem to attract medical emergencies when I fly. You never know when God's going to call you to service. And as a physician, even though I'm a gynecologist, I always am available and willing to help somebody in need. We were on a Delta flight out of Atlanta. And as we were on the tarmac, we heard a cry from the back of the plane, a young lady yelled, "Help medical." And so I of course stood up and went down the aisle, hoping that's going to be something easy like a woman in labor and just going to deliver a baby and move on. But it wasn't. It was a gentleman who was unconscious and was not able to be aroused. We were able to move him from his seat and we got him into the aisle. And when we got him into the aisle, we opened up his airway, we checked him, did the ABCs and he had no pulse.

So, the flight attendant asked, "Do we need to go back to the gate?" And I said, "Absolutely, yes we do." And while we were heading back to the gate, we got the AED. He was in a condition called ventricular fibrillation where his heart was just quivering and not really pumping. And we were able to give him the first shock and we started CPR. And then we-

Dr. James Dobson: You had an AED.

Dr. William Lile: We had an AED on that Delta flight. We shocked him. We got a sinus rhythm back. We had a pulse. But then shortly thereafter we lost the pulse again. We started CPR again. We shocked him a second time. And one of the passengers on board the plane had a nitroglycerin spray. We gave him a couple sprays of nitroglycerin under the tongue. And not only did we get a sinus rhythm back, but we got a pulse back and then we lost it again. We went back to doing CPR and then we shocked him a third time as we were getting back to the gate. And this time, not only did we had sinus rhythm, but we actually had a pulse. He started breathing on own and he started complain that his chest hurt.

And so, the EMTs and paramedics came on board the plane. And at this point he was feeling great and he wanted to actually walk off the plane. But, of course, they're not going to let him walk off the plane. And so they carried him off and his wife was there with him. And she said, "Oh wait, thank you." And she asked if I was a cardiologist and I shook my head and said, "No, ma'am." I said, "I'm a gynecologist." And the next day I found out that his wife was best friends with my office manager's mother-in-law. And later that day I got a call from him thanking me for shocking him and doing CPR. So the role of physician is not just 9:00 to 5:00. There are always opportunities for us to use our skills, just like the role of a believer is not just to go to church and to tithe, but to be engaged in this battle.

Dr. James Dobson: Seven days a week.

Dr. William Lile: It's a seven day a week battle to share the gospel, to let how Jesus has changed our lives. Other than the gospel, this abortion issue has got to be an emphasis for every single church. When we look at the gifts that we've been given and the opportunities we've been given, this is the time to share, because that's really the true answer. That answer is going to be the gospel. It's the gospel that's going to change the lives of patients. It's the gospel that's going to really save our nation. It is the gospel message that if we want to see the United States be that shining light on the hill, it's got to start with the gospel message.

Dr. James Dobson: Is there anything else that you came here hoping you had an opportunity to say, this is your moment? Tell us what's on your mind.

Dr. William Lile: Do people have regrets? Sure. Do I have regrets on things that I've done or things that I've said? Absolutely. When it comes to taking the abortion pill, do people have regrets? Absolutely. But you'll hear the abortion industry saying that nobody regrets taking the abortion pill, nobody regrets their abortion. Women are hurting and women are suffering from the effect of the abortion pill. There was a psychologist who lived in San Francisco who realized that 1800 people had jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. They had walked out onto the bridge and they said, "Nobody loves me, nobody cares for me, nobody's here to help me, this world will be better without me." And they jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and they felt 225 feet down to the bay below.

But then the psychologist also heard that 29 people had survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. So she interviewed 29 of those 29 patients. And she asked them, "As soon as you jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge, what was now going through your head?" 29 of 29 immediately said that they had immediate regrets. And they said, "God don't let me die." And by some miracle and grace of God, those lives were saved. They hit the water, they were fished out by the coast guard or by a fisherman, they swam to shore.

Women facing an abortion and taking the abortion pill are the exact same story. They walk into the abortion clinic thinking "nobody loves me, nobody cares for me, nobody is here to meet my needs." They take the abortion pill and they immediately have regrets. And so we are here to help with those regrets. There is a safety net underneath of the Golden Gate Bridge to try to catch those people who make that wrong decision of jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. We would like nobody to take the abortion pill, but if they do, we want them to know that there is that opportunity. But if they don't know that-

Dr. James Dobson: That there wasn't in the past. This is a fairly recent development-

Dr. William Lile: Correct.

Dr. James Dobson: ...where there is a way back.

Dr. William Lile: There is. So we've actually been able to successfully reverse the effect of the abortion pill 3000 times here in the United States, healthy moms, healthy babies. And it's a network of physicians and it's a network of nurses and it's just a true ministry of correcting a bad decision.

Dr. James Dobson: And they have healthy babies after.

Dr. William Lile: Healthy moms, healthy babies. And there's nothing more rewarding than saving the lives of those babies. It's amazing that we will sometimes defend the lives of animals more than we will the lives of babies.

Dr. James Dobson: You mentioned turtles.

Dr. William Lile: Oh, my goodness! We're coming up on sea turtle season in Florida. And we have volunteers that will go up and down the beach of Pensacola at night on four wheelers looking for recently laid sea turtle nest. And when they find a nest, they don't just put one fence, two fence, they put three fences around every sea turtle nest. And then they put up these bright yellow signs saying "warning, sea turtle nest, do not disturb." And if you disturb pre-born sea turtles, you can have a year in jail or fined $100,000 for preborn sea turtles.

Meanwhile, if you are pregnant and you are over on Pensacola Beach and you are up to 24 weeks pregnant currently, you can drive over the three mile bridge, go to the abortion clinic in Pensacola and legally abort the preborn baby that is in your womb. The amazing thing is when you look at these signs, the penalties for disturbing preborn sea turtles are based on the US Endangered Species Act. There's federal law and there's state law. But you read the fine print, when was the US Endangered Species Act passed? 1973. In 1973, the US Endangered Species Act gave protection to preborn sea turtles, but on the other side of Washington, DC, in the same year, the US Supreme Court denied that same level of protection to preborn babies.

Dr. James Dobson: That'll bring tears to your eyes.

Dr. William Lile: It will. And we are going to see the reverse of that decision that was made in 1973.

Dr. James Dobson: Do you really believe that?

Dr. William Lile: I wholeheartedly believe that.

Dr. James Dobson: We've got to be praying about it.

Dr. William Lile: Absolutely. It's a spiritual battle and that is one of our spiritual tools and that is one of our spiritual gifts.

Dr. James Dobson: We're getting close to the end, Dr. Lile, but you have made yourself available for this cause. And I'm amazed at your energy and willingness to be out in front on these highly controversial and some circles, arena. What else would you make available to the people who are listening to us right now?

Dr. William Lile: Well, we have lots of resources.

Dr. James Dobson: You're one man now.

Dr. William Lile: It's Pro-Life Doc. Hopefully, someday it'll be Pro-Life Docs. But for right now, we are available. We are available to speak at churches, to speak at events. You can go to our website, prolifedoc.org.

Dr. James Dobson: Do you ever testify?

Dr. William Lile: And expert witness testimony. Education is really key. Not only are the people of the United States coming awake as far as the need to treat the preborn as patients and defend them, but they are influencing our legislatures to do that as well. And we're always happy to give pro-life testimony before the legislatures. We've given testimony in Florida, we've given testimony in Ohio, we've given testimony in Washington state. Our legislators are not physicians, they are not experts in this field, yet you can give simple examples of our patients that we are spending tax dollar money saving the lives of. And so if they are a patient, they are a person. And if or a person, then they have protection to the 14th amendment. And that is a key. Our legislature is starting to make changes, and we need to give them the information to make knowledgeable informed decisions.

Dr. James Dobson: I want to say to our listeners, if you have appreciated what you've heard, not only on this day, but the two other days that we just talked together, I would appreciate your expressing your thanks to this man for what he's doing, what his passion is on behalf of all of us. Not everybody has an opportunity to do what you do and you're giving it to the Lord. And I thank you for that, my brother, and I do hope the Lord's blessings and protection will be on you. You're flying all over the place. You've got a family, you've got two daughters, you have all these other responsibilities. And I pray that He'll keep you healthy, because you are critical to this cause.

Dr. William Lile: Well, thank you very much, Dr. Dobson. I appreciate this opportunity. It's always an honor to be here with you, to work with the Family Talk ministry and really use the miracle of radio to educate, inform, and encourage.

Dr. James Dobson: Have a good trip home. And God bless you my friend.

Dr. William Lile: Thank you, my brother.

Roger Marsh: That was Dr. Dobson and Dr. William Lile, the Pro-Life Doc here on Family Talk. We've had Dr. Lile as a guest on the program several times over the years, and he's become a great friend to the ministry and to Dr. and Mrs. Dobson. Bill has a strong heart for the Lord and a contagious passion for protecting the preborn and their mothers. When he's not out on the road speaking to churches and pregnancy centers all across the nation, he's treating patients at his obstetrics and gynecology practice in Pensacola, Florida.

Every couple of weeks, Dr. Lile, records and posts a video from his office. He covers recent pro-life news, trending pro-life topics and gives valuable tips on how to defend the sanctity of human life. You can find all of those videos, some of which have gone viral, and learn more about the Pro-Life Doc by visiting his website, which is prolifedoc.org.

Now, concerning abortion pill reversal, Dr. Lile, gave the most valuable information over the past few days. And I want to repeat it here. If you or someone you know has recently started a medication abortion by taking the abortion pill and have those immediate doubt or regrets, two things you can do. First call (877) 558-0333, or second, go to abortionpillreversal.com. Again, the number to call (877) 558-0333, or go to abortionpillreversal.com. Now, of course, we will have a link for that site and information about Abortion Pill Reversal and more pro-life resources on our broadcast page at drjamesdobson.org. That's drjamesdobson.org/broadcasts.

Protecting the sanctity of human life is one of our core pillars here at the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute. And it has been close to Dr. Dobson's heart for decades now. We should and do grieve the millions of lives that have been killed in the womb. Legalized abortion is one of the blight's on our country's history. However, there is hope. We have seen hearts and minds change since that disastrous day in 1973 when the Roe versus Wade decision passed in the Supreme Court. And we pray that soon, we will see that terrible decision reversed. But regardless of what happens at the nation's highest court, we still have a battle to fight for life. And truly friends, that battle must be fought on our knees in prayer.

We hope that you've been encouraged over these past couple of days here on Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh thanking you so much for listening and encouraging you to join us again next time for another edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk. May God continue to bless you and your family richly.

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